Posts by eye 23

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WT 1/2005 questions from readers... :it is his angel ..acts 12:15

by eye 23 in

i was wondering if anyone else has read this article in the watchtower ?.

here, someone is aking the question: upon hearing that the imprisoned peter was at the door, why did the disciples say: it is his angel ?

to my reasoning ...if it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck ....it is a duck.

eye 23

I wasn't saying that I was right in my thinking. I was saying that is what I percieved this scripture to mean, on first reading it....which is WHY I asked the question if others thought it was weird reasoning?

The comments that were posted were very interesting to me and it was indeed food for thought. However a fact is a proven theory and there can never be any fool proof way of knowing exactly what they thought ...because non of us were there...so..everything is heresay,,,,but interesting and food for thought.

other's posted and then said what their beliefs were..you, on the other hand, TOLD me that I was wrong....I found your comments to be arrogant and hurtful when all I asked was if others thought it was mis matched reasoning.....would have been nice just to have your view on this scripture.... and not your view on me.

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WT 1/2005 questions from readers... :it is his angel ..acts 12:15

by eye 23 in

i was wondering if anyone else has read this article in the watchtower ?.

here, someone is aking the question: upon hearing that the imprisoned peter was at the door, why did the disciples say: it is his angel ?

to my reasoning ...if it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck ....it is a duck.

eye 23

thanks for the interesting reading...so it seems that the WTBTS are not alone in this thinking which is interesting. still, *I* believe that it was still a statement and everything else is theory.

In the original post I said ..'in my mind' so when I said obviously I was talking about myself i.e it's obvious to me. so to tell me I'm wrong in my own thinking and reasoning based on a theory is a bit much!

I asked if anyone else thought it was miss matched reasoning and the replies that others had the same theory as the wtbts was interesting and also that others have said they themselves think it to be correct was interesting and respected because everyone has a right to their own personal belief system.

As I say, I *personally* believe that they made a statement i.e it is peters angel; everything else, in my mind is theory regardless of how wide spread that theory was at the time.

a simple thought on what your personal thoughts were would have been enough without the personal attack on my thinking ability.......thankyou very much!

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Coming clean about what's been going on lately, I need to talk......

by Jez in

well, my sil and best friend came to this site on my recommendation (jw).

i just wanted her to check it out without judgement as we have always been able to talk about everything.

she basically was disgusted, said it was full of crap and lies and would never look at it again.

eye 23

I'm so very sorry for you jez the pain of rejection by someone you love dearly can be worse than a death because those that die haven't had a choice to do so..........maybe you could show her the scripture in Luke 9 :49 'he who is not against us is on our side'. Maybe you could reason with her on this to show that you have no problems with her being a JW and are not against her as jesus said therefore, her leaving you is an unkind thing to do with no real scriptual bases ....since you are not against her belief system........might work,could be worth a try eh?

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WT 1/2005 questions from readers... :it is his angel ..acts 12:15

by eye 23 in

i was wondering if anyone else has read this article in the watchtower ?.

here, someone is aking the question: upon hearing that the imprisoned peter was at the door, why did the disciples say: it is his angel ?

to my reasoning ...if it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck ....it is a duck.

eye 23

Hi

I was wondering if anyone else has read this article in the watchtower ?

here, someone is aking the question: upon hearing that the imprisoned peter was at the door, why did the disciples say: it is his angel ?

to my reasoning ...if it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck ....it IS a duck

OBVIOUSLY the disciples thought that you went to heaven when you died and they thought that this WAS peter returned.

the article goes into a mis matched theory and quotes ecclesiates 9:5'10 which just (in my mind) shows the condition of the dead...i.e that when dead and returned to spirit form you no longer think like a human but that of a spirit creature...i.e no love hate etc.. (human emotions and feelings have been forgotton them, now they are spiritual beings) (the rememberance of being human has been forgotton to them

the WTBTS even go as far as to say that the disciples may have erroneously thought it was peters gaurdian angel..even though the bible dosen't make mention of this?????????????

PHEW... talk about trying to make the shoe fit!

this article quotes ECCLESIASTES 9: 5,10 but if you look up the word ...'concious' it is really translated knowlege ... when translated (YARA means knowlege) and knowlege can just mean knowlege about being human i.e feeling love hate envey etc... (i.e you can be concious but have no knowlege of advanced maths)

the FACT is that the disciples didn't ASK the question 'IS it peters angel? he looked like peter and talked like peter and the disciples thought that it WAS peter's ANGEL.

hence they made a statement............it IS peters angel!........thinking full well that peter had been killed and was now an angel in heaven...returned to give them a message from god.

did anyone else read this article and think it was mis matched reasoning???

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Why isn't the WTS more direct in regards to "apostate" web sites?????????

by integ in

jw
friends

i wonder why the wts does not specifically tell its hapless adherents to not go to apostate websites?

references as to what to beware of on the internet seem to be painted with broad strokes.

always first is pornography, then chat rooms.

eye 23

I was thinking of all the times I have read people say....I never knew anything about sites like this one, I just typed in Jehovahs Witnesses and............ Wow! there was just soooo much stuff on the internet, I have learn't so much about the org.

so maybe that's the thinking behind it; if they told people not to look at the apostate sites, how many of the brothers/sisters would think ...what apposate sites??

I bet they have no idea of the amount of people there are out here in the REAL world, especially, in light of the posted mag i.e a few people have spread lies about jehovahs organization.

ha ... they are hardly going to blab that there is a world of information out there all about them and their history using their own litrature to condem them ..now are they?

can you imagine the announcement:

yes, brothers, there are an infinate amount of sites out there in cyber space, stories of former witnesses and quotes from our own litrature etc....and it's just a click away.......but don't do it!

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Bookstudy - Ch30 "Go On Walking In Love"

by TheListener in

so this is the title of the chapter we'll be starting this week at bookstudy.

sounds promising eh?

well don't get excited.. here are some tidbits:.

eye 23

How would you show that this study is NOT showing the love that jesus spoke of and is only showing counsel from the organisation?

tia

eye23

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JOB's children celebrating birthdays

by eye 23 in

can anyone give me their view on why the bible says that after job's children celebrated 'their day' he went out and made sacrafices to god in case they had sinned and cursed god in their hearts ?.

the first part is a great talking part especially regarding job being a rightous man but the latter tends to counter act it some how by impling that job thoughts were that birthdays were wrong, in gods eyes.

especially as he did this after every birthday, so i can't really debate that it was one off event that might have encured some wrong doing at one particular party........if you understand what i mean.. thanks for any iput.

eye 23

Hi

Yes!, I do accept that job's children were celebrating their birthdays in this scriptue; to explain it any way else would, I believe, IMHO be performing mental cymnastics.

However I really need to address the problem of WHY job felt the need to offer sacrifices for his children in case they had offended god in their hearts? if he had offered sacrifices for fear they had 'cursed god' on one occasion ...maybe I could reason that maybe that particular party got 'outta hand' but he did it EVERY time they celebrated their day. So, hoe can I show sensible reasoning on this scripture.

thanks, by the way, soooo much on all your help...there have been some very very interesting points raised already that will be of a tremendouse help to me

love ya!

eye 23.

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JOB's children celebrating birthdays

by eye 23 in

can anyone give me their view on why the bible says that after job's children celebrated 'their day' he went out and made sacrafices to god in case they had sinned and cursed god in their hearts ?.

the first part is a great talking part especially regarding job being a rightous man but the latter tends to counter act it some how by impling that job thoughts were that birthdays were wrong, in gods eyes.

especially as he did this after every birthday, so i can't really debate that it was one off event that might have encured some wrong doing at one particular party........if you understand what i mean.. thanks for any iput.

eye 23

Hi

Can anyone give me their view on why the bible says that after Job's children celebrated 'their day' he went out and made sacrafices to god in case they had sinned and cursed god in their hearts ?

the first part is a great talking part especially regarding job being a rightous man but the latter tends to counter act it some how by impling that job thoughts were that birthdays were wrong, in gods eyes. Especially as he did this after every birthday, so I can't really debate that it was one off event that might have encured some wrong doing at one particular party........if you understand what I mean.

thanks for any iput

eye 23

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low self esteem issues....need some experiences.......please

by eye 23 in

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i wondered if anyone would give me their stories of how the wtbts stole their selfesteem....doesn't have to be long.. need to show someone that this is indeed what happens to some..... as a good friend of mine said .

'if i'm no good for god, i'm no good for anyone' .

eye 23

Thank you all so much for your replies My friend although knowing that it is all now rubbish! has had problems with her fiance as he has had a 'normal' life and she lost her mum at an early age (around seven) and then was introduced to the witnesses by a relative.

needless to say she has had feeling of 'not being good enough' for a very long time and it has spilled over a little in her relationship... he, on the other hand, finds it difficult to understand why she has such hang ups about ex- girl friends etc

I think if he realised that being once a JW promotes a feeling of 'not quite reaching the mark' it would help him to understand her more and thus give their relationship the insite it needs to grow.

being part of a cult is IMHO is both mind and soul destroying and I wish them all the happiness of a normal and loving relationship.....

so any advice and/or experiences would be invaluable

thanks again

eye 23

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GIVE AN EXAMPLE of the best writing you've ever read

by Terry in

is there one line of prose or poetry that stopped you dead in your tracks and haunted your mind for days on end?

is there a line, a paragraph or a book that feeds your soul and there is no end to its craving?

share it with all of us.

eye 23

I just love wordsworths poem about his son

I loved the boy with the utmost love of which my soul was capable

and he was taken away from me

and yet

in the agony of my spirit at surrendering such a treasure

I feel a thousand times richer

than if I had never possessed it.

a very personal poem for me.

eye 23